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15th October 2002, 12:51 PM	#256
Mycroft Utter, utter ba$tard Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a pretty little things bedroom... with my trousers down... Posts: 2,550 Car Owned: Sinclair V10 and W12...	I sent a request for information to Broquet but have nothing back as yet except the usual non scientific guff, but will keep trying. I might buy some and test the stuff myself when I have time.

15th October 2002, 12:58 PM	#257
dan0h Mapper... Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The dyno cell... Posts: 1,519 Car Owned: HNR32	Mycroft, Thats cool .. I'd be interested to hear the results, certainly on the web I cant find a bad word said about it ... everyone reports power and economy improvements, sounds too good to be true though... Cheers, Dan __________________ planet dan0h Dynapack Operator and Engine mapper @ Abbey's ... Responsible for Tim's BNR34 Nur, tokyodrew's BNR34, Rocket Ronnie's 3xTOTB Winning BCNR33, Harry's BCNR33, Big Marks BCNR33, Jae's BCNR33, Zenon's (Nemesis) BCNR33, Ron Kidell's (RK Tuning) BNR32, m6beg's BNR32 & m6beg's missus's GDB Subaru!, Daz's BNR32, Knight's BNR32, GBH Motorsport JZA80 ... And quite a lot of other cars people don't know about...

15th October 2002, 01:00 PM	#258
R32BigSly ROD BELL TUNED!!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Funny Farm! Posts: 246 Car Owned: R32 Drag Monster!,Rover ZR TD with NOS	Interesting?? Dan, Is there a specific site i could have a look at please?? Just curious thats all mate! as i have used virtually everything else available or not on the market!! cheers Stu

15th October 2002, 01:17 PM	#259
Philip RB28 & GT2835s Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 778 Car Owned: 262C	I understand that all Impreza P1s and UK 22Bs were delivered with two Broquet in-tank pellets, put in there by Prodrive or IM. Haven't seen any independent proof that it works though. Phil

15th October 2002, 01:21 PM	#260
Philip RB28 & GT2835s Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 778 Car Owned: 262C	http://www.broquet.com/ http://www.broquet.com.sg/ Last edited by Philip : 15th October 2002 at 01:25 PM.

15th October 2002, 01:51 PM	#261
Blow Dog Administrator Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London Posts: 2,467 Car Owned: Ferrari 550M	The Subaru community was 'encouraged' to use the Broquet after knowlegde of Subaru placing broquet into the tanks of all the P1's sold. Lot's of energetic enquiries and tests were made with no firm results. As far as I know it's since been forgotten. This is an interesting thread I've dug up. http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?ThreadID=8554 Cem __________________ Forum Webmaster - http://www.gtr.co.uk/

15th October 2002, 02:07 PM	#262
dan0h Mapper... Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The dyno cell... Posts: 1,519 Car Owned: HNR32	Broquet Stu, Those two links posted by Philip should tell you as much info as there really is on the web. I'm hoping that if Mycroft does some analysis on it that we may get a little more technical stuff that might go some way into explaining how and why it really works. The link Cem posted is well worth a look. Cheers, Dan __________________ planet dan0h Dynapack Operator and Engine mapper @ Abbey's ... Responsible for Tim's BNR34 Nur, tokyodrew's BNR34, Rocket Ronnie's 3xTOTB Winning BCNR33, Harry's BCNR33, Big Marks BCNR33, Jae's BCNR33, Zenon's (Nemesis) BCNR33, Ron Kidell's (RK Tuning) BNR32, m6beg's BNR32 & m6beg's missus's GDB Subaru!, Daz's BNR32, Knight's BNR32, GBH Motorsport JZA80 ... And quite a lot of other cars people don't know about...

15th October 2002, 03:08 PM	#263
Mycroft Utter, utter ba$tard Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a pretty little things bedroom... with my trousers down... Posts: 2,550 Car Owned: Sinclair V10 and W12...	I may be able to kill this quite quickly, whilst talking to one of the 'senior' lab guys here, (old people can be irritating but they have a vast knowledge base and SHOULD be respected for this) anyway this coffindodger gave me the rundown on this stuff, the short answer is 'Don't bother'. Fuller and very boring answer; Broquet used to work, in fact it worked brilliantly, but that was when there was something called 'pool' petrol which was basically 70oct stuff with a CV that barely put it over paraffin, when the original Broquets were put in this they made the fuel a slightly higher octane and made this rather poorly refined fuel burn better, as the fuel quality went up after WW2 they became less and less effective (at one point petrol in this Country was so pish-poor that just stuffing Moth-balls in the tank helped the deflagration) it was reformulated later in the 60's but was never able to keep up and the general consensus is that the material is at best 'mostly harmless' at worst, 'worthless' I shan't be wasting my time taking this any further.

15th October 2002, 03:26 PM	#264
dan0h Mapper... Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The dyno cell... Posts: 1,519 Car Owned: HNR32	Thats all I needed to hear ... Thanks Mycroft! __________________ planet dan0h Dynapack Operator and Engine mapper @ Abbey's ... Responsible for Tim's BNR34 Nur, tokyodrew's BNR34, Rocket Ronnie's 3xTOTB Winning BCNR33, Harry's BCNR33, Big Marks BCNR33, Jae's BCNR33, Zenon's (Nemesis) BCNR33, Ron Kidell's (RK Tuning) BNR32, m6beg's BNR32 & m6beg's missus's GDB Subaru!, Daz's BNR32, Knight's BNR32, GBH Motorsport JZA80 ... And quite a lot of other cars people don't know about...

15th October 2002, 07:06 PM

#265

Steve W

Standard User

Join Date: Jul 2002

Location: Essex

Posts: 20

Car Owned: mkIV SupraTT (jap)

edit-"SORRY Mr.Mycroft - didn't stop to read your last reply ! ! - disregard following:- "

Quote:

......Another major advantage of using the catalyst in countries where unleaded petrol is replacing, or already has replaced, leaded petrol is that Broquet will generally allow the safe and efficient use of unleaded petrol in all petrol-engined vehicles......

SO, it must ADD a 'lead'-type lubricant...ie. is it as harmful as
Leaded fuel to Jap' engines ? ? (non-cat'-affecting ?)

Quote:

.........also removes, and then inhibits, the build-up of carbon deposits, waxes and gums that normally form in the combustion chamber.

? ? ? All we need to know is HOW....if all-it-is is lumps of metal,
how does it achieve cleaning of combustion chambers ? ? ?

NEED THOROUGH DESCRIPTION OF WHAT/HOW IT DOES
WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.......

Yours, Mr. Sceptical, (Fat Steve).
[ps. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong, BUT, they never tell you HOW..]

Last edited by Steve W : 15th October 2002 at 07:10 PM.

16th October 2002, 06:09 PM

#266

Syed Shah

Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2002

Location: Milton Keynes

Posts: 135

Car Owned: MKIV Supra X2

Quote:

Originally posted by Mycroft
Please, if you have a Japanese car made since 1987 then don't even think about fuel with Lead in it, you are playing russian roulette with you engine and your wallet.

Why exactly do you say that?

Leaded 116octane fuel is used in the states by Supras, Skylines etc, with no harm at all, all it does is shorten the life of your O2 sensor to a few thousand miles, nothing to the engine, in fact, it is better for the seals etc.

__________________
Supra MKIV x 2
R6 *rip*
Soarer TT

16th October 2002, 06:35 PM	#267
dan0h Mapper... Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The dyno cell... Posts: 1,519 Car Owned: HNR32	I'm pretty sure the US idea of 116 octane differs from ours, I think we display Research Octane Number (RON) and they just show Pump Octane .. or the other way around __________________ planet dan0h Dynapack Operator and Engine mapper @ Abbey's ... Responsible for Tim's BNR34 Nur, tokyodrew's BNR34, Rocket Ronnie's 3xTOTB Winning BCNR33, Harry's BCNR33, Big Marks BCNR33, Jae's BCNR33, Zenon's (Nemesis) BCNR33, Ron Kidell's (RK Tuning) BNR32, m6beg's BNR32 & m6beg's missus's GDB Subaru!, Daz's BNR32, Knight's BNR32, GBH Motorsport JZA80 ... And quite a lot of other cars people don't know about...

16th October 2002, 06:38 PM	#268
Syed Shah Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 135 Car Owned: MKIV Supra X2	Nope. There is MON and RON, we show RON, the highest of the two numbers, they show an average of MON and RON. So to put it another way, their 93octane fuel is like our Optimax. __________________ Supra MKIV x 2 R6 rip Soarer TT

16th October 2002, 06:45 PM	#269
dan0h Mapper... Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The dyno cell... Posts: 1,519 Car Owned: HNR32	Hmmm .. hopefully Mycroft can shed some light on this then... __________________ planet dan0h Dynapack Operator and Engine mapper @ Abbey's ... Responsible for Tim's BNR34 Nur, tokyodrew's BNR34, Rocket Ronnie's 3xTOTB Winning BCNR33, Harry's BCNR33, Big Marks BCNR33, Jae's BCNR33, Zenon's (Nemesis) BCNR33, Ron Kidell's (RK Tuning) BNR32, m6beg's BNR32 & m6beg's missus's GDB Subaru!, Daz's BNR32, Knight's BNR32, GBH Motorsport JZA80 ... And quite a lot of other cars people don't know about...

16th October 2002, 10:18 PM	#270
Mycroft Utter, utter ba$tard Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a pretty little things bedroom... with my trousers down... Posts: 2,550 Car Owned: Sinclair V10 and W12...	Ahh, my 'pal' Shed Syah, Longevity, to an ant a day is a huge part of its existance, to a tree it is just a small part of a season, a season is a small part of a trees life. To have a car run on 116oct leaded fuel means that it is something out of the ordinary, it has been rebuilt, like as not and it will also be owned by someone trying to extract the very last ounce of power for an impressive dyno run and as your friend Chris Wilson is apt to say, 'it ain't real world numbers' someone who is going down this route will not baulk at rebuilding the motor often. Lead effects all manner of things, valve rotation being the one that does the most damage in the end, there are many books on this sort of thing, have a look at Moderns oils also they are very badly effected by even the most minute trace of lead, just a little flooding and that expensive synthetic oil is gonna 'curl' it locks the lead within itself and there is formed a precipitate in the oil, just waiting to block one of you arteries. There are many reasons to do with metallurgy also. Fuel ratings RON--- MON--- PON 90----- 83------ 86.6 92----- 85------ 88.5 95----- 87------ 91 96----- 88------ 92 98----- 90------ 94 100--- 91.5---- 95.8 105--- 95------ 100 110--- 99------ 104.5 We in the UK use RON others PON OPT with a (debateable) Oct of 98.6 RON is 95 PON. SUL with 97 RON is 93 PON so #their 93octane fuel is like our Optimax# is wrong..